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Biography of John Talbot 3rd Earl Shrewsbury, 3rd Earl Waterford 1448-1473

CONTENT

Battle of Northampton 1460

1461 Battle of Towton

1461 Second Battle of St Albans


Family Trees

Descent

Ancestry

On 12 Dec 1448 John Talbot 3rd Earl Shrewsbury, 3rd Earl Waterford 1448-1473 was born to John Talbot 2nd Earl Shrewsbury, 2nd Earl Waterford 1417-1460 (31) and Elizabeth Butler Countess Shrewsbury, Countess Waterford 1424-1473 (24)

Battle of Northampton 1460

On 10 Jul 1460 the Yorkist army led by the future Edward IV King England 1442-1483 (18) and including Richard "Kingmaker" Neville 16th Earl Warwick, 6th Earl Salisbury 1428-1471 (32) , George Neville Archbishop York 1432-1476 (28) , William Neville 1st Earl Kent 1405-1463 (55) , Edmund Grey 1st Earl Kent 1416-1490 (43) , Edward Brooke 6th Baron Cobham 1415-1464 (45) and John Scrope 5th Baron Scrope Bolton 1437-1498 (22) defeated the Lancastrian army at the Battle of Northampton 1460 .
 Henry VI King England, II King France 1421-1471 (38) was captured.
Humphrey Stafford 1st Duke Buckingham 1402-1460 (57) was killed . His grandson Henry Stafford 2nd Duke Buckingham 1454-1483 (5) succeeded as 2nd Duke Buckingham (1C 1444) , 7th Earl Stafford (1C 1351) , 8th Baron Stafford (1C 1299) .
 John Talbot 2nd Earl Shrewsbury, 2nd Earl Waterford 1417-1460 (42) was killed . His son John Talbot 3rd Earl Shrewsbury, 3rd Earl Waterford 1448-1473 (11) succeeded as 3rd Earl Shrewsbury (2C 1442) , 3rd Earl Waterford , 8th Baron Furnivall (1C 1295) , 12th Baron Strange Blackmere (1C 1309) , 9th Baron Talbot (1C 1331)
Thomas Percy 1st Baron Egremont 1422-1460 (37) was killed .
 John Beaumont 1st Viscount Beaumont 1409-1460 (50) was killed . His son William Beaumont 2nd Viscount Beaumont 1438-1507 (22) succeeded as 2nd Viscount Beaumont .
 Thomas Tresham 1420-1471 (40) fought.
William Beaumont 2nd Viscount Beaumont 1438-1507 (22) and William Norreys 1441-1507 (19) were knighted.
Thomas "Bastard of Exeter" Holland -1460 was executed following the battle.

Second Battle of St Albans

On 18 Feb 1461 the Lancastrian army defeated the Yorkist army at Second Battle of St Albans and rescued Henry VI King England, II King France 1421-1471 (39) .The Lancastrian army was commanded by Henry Holland 3rd Duke Exeter 1430-1475 (30) and included Henry Percy 3rd Earl Northumberland 1421-1461 (39) , John Mowbray 3rd Duke Norfolk 1415-1461 (45) , Henry Grey 7th Baron Grey Codnor 1435-1496 (26) and Richard Welles 7th Baron Willoughby Eresby, 7th Baron Welles 1428-1470 (33) . Thomas Ros 9th Baron Ros Helmsley 1427-1464 (33) , William Tailboys 7th Baron Kyme 1415-1464 (46) , John Talbot 3rd Earl Shrewsbury, 3rd Earl Waterford 1448-1473 (12) and Thomas Tresham 1420-1471 (41) were knighted.
The Yorkist army included Richard "Kingmaker" Neville 16th Earl Warwick, 6th Earl Salisbury 1428-1471 (33) , William Fitzalan 16th Earl Arundel 1417-1487 (43) , John Wenlock 1st Baron Wenlock 1400-1471 (61) and Henry Bourchier 2nd Count Eu, 1st Earl Essex 1404-1483 (57) . John Neville 1st Marquess Montagu 1431-1471 (30) was captured. Robert Poynings 1419-1461 (42) and James Luttrell Baron Dunster 1427-1461 (34) were killed .
John Grey 1432-1461 (29) was killed fighting for Lancaster.A death that was to have far reaching consequences; his widow Elizabeth Woodville Queen Consort England 1437-1492 (24) subsequently married Edward IV King England 1442-1483 (18) .
 During the battle William Bonville 1st Baron Bonville 1392-1461 and Thomas Kyriell 1396-1461 (65) were assigned to the protection of the King Henry VI (39) . After the battle both were beheaded against all decent laws of battle.
William Bonville 1st Baron Bonville 1392-1461 . Cecily Bonville Marchioness Dorset 1460-1529 succeeded as 7th Baron Harington , 2nd Baron Bonville
Thomas Kyriell 1396-1461 (65) was beheaded .

After 21 Apr 1509 Thomas Wriothesley Garter King of Arms -1534 (21) made a drawing of the death of Henry VII (he wasn't present). The drawing shows those present and in some cases provides their arms by which they can be identified. From top left clockwise:
Richard Foxe Bishop 1448-1528 (61)
Two tonsured clerics
George Hastings 1st Earl Huntingdon 1487-1544 (22)
Richard Weston of Sutton Place 1465-1541 (44)
Richard Clement of Ingham Mote 1482-1538 (27)
Matthew Baker Governor Jersey -1513
John Sharpe of Coggleshall in Essex -1518
Physician holding urine bottle
William Tyler
Hugh Denys
William Fitzwilliam 1st Earl Southampton 1490-1542 (19) closing the King's eyes.There is doubt as to whether the person shown is William Fitzwilliam 1st Earl Southampton 1490-1542 (19) given his age of around nineteen at the King's death. He appears to be holding a Staff of Office although sources state he wasn't appointed Gentleman Usher, in which role he would have a Staff of Office, until Henry VIII's Coronation in Jun 1509.
The Arms below him are Quarterly 1 Lozengy argent & gules (FitzWilliam); 2 Arms of John Neville 1st Marquess Montagu 1431-1471 3 Quartered 1 possibly Plantagent with white border ie Holland 2 and 3 Tibetot, 4 Unknown, overall a star for difference indicating third son. William Fitzwilliam 1st Earl Southampton 1490-1542 (19) was his father's third son, and his mother was Lucy Neville 1468-1534 (41) daughter of John Neville 1st Marquess Montagu 1431-1471 . It appears correct that the person represented is William Fitzwilliam 1st Earl Southampton 1490-1542 (19) . William Fitzwilliam 1st Earl Southampton 1490-1542 (19) was the childhood companion of Henry VIII (17) .
 Physician holding urine bottle

Battle of Towton

On 29 Mar 1461 the Battle of Towton was a decisive victory for Edward IV King England 1442-1483 (18) bringing to an end the first war of the Wars of the Roses.Said to be the bloodiest battle on English soil 28000 were killed mainly during the rout that followed the battle.
The Yorkist army was commanded by Edward IV King England 1442-1483 (18) with John Mowbray 3rd Duke Norfolk 1415-1461 (45) , Henry Holland 3rd Duke Exeter 1430-1475 (30) , William Neville 1st Earl Kent 1405-1463 (56) , William Hastings 1st Baron Hastings 1431-1483 (30) (knighted), Walter Blount 1st Baron Mountjoy 1416-1474 (45) , Henry Bourchier 2nd Count Eu, 1st Earl Essex 1404-1483 (57) , John Scrope 5th Baron Scrope Bolton 1437-1498 (23) and John Wenlock 1st Baron Wenlock 1400-1471 (61) .
The Lancastrian army suffered significant casualties including Richard Percy 1426-1461 (35) , Ralph Bigod 1410-1461 (50) , John Bigod -1461 , Robert Cromwell 1390-1461 (71) , Ralph Dacre 1st Baron Dacre Gilsland 1412-1461 (49) , Ralph Eure 1412-1461 (49) , John Neville 1st Baron Neville Raby 1410-1461 (51) , John Beaumont 1428-1461 (33) , Thomas Dethick 1400-1461 (61) , Everard Simon Digby -1461 , William Plumpton -1461 and William Welles 1410-1461 (51) who were killed .
Henry Percy 3rd Earl Northumberland 1421-1461 (39) was killed . His son Henry Percy 4th Earl Northumberland 1449-1489 (12) succeeded as 4th Earl Northumberland (1C 1377) . Maud Herbert Countess Northumberland 1458-1485 (3) by marriage Countess Northumberland (1C 1377) .
 Lionel Welles 6th Baron Welles 1406-1461 (55) was killed . His son Richard Welles 7th Baron Willoughby Eresby, 7th Baron Welles 1428-1470 (33) succeeded as 7th Baron Welles .
 Those who fought for the Lancaster included William Tailboys 7th Baron Kyme 1415-1464 (46) , John Dudley 1st Baron Dudley 1400-1487 (60) , William Norreys 1441-1507 (20) , Thomas Grey 1st Baron Grey Richemont 1418-1461 (43) , Robert Hungerford 3rd Baron Hungerford 1431-1464 (30) , John Talbot 3rd Earl Shrewsbury, 3rd Earl Waterford 1448-1473 (12) , Richard Welles 7th Baron Willoughby Eresby, 7th Baron Welles 1428-1470 (33) , Richard Woodville 1st Earl Rivers 1405-1469 (56) , James Butler 1st Earl Wiltshire, 5th Earl Ormonde 1420-1461 (40) , John Butler 6th Earl Ormonde 1422-1476 (39) , William Beaumont 2nd Viscount Beaumont 1438-1507 (22) and Thomas Tresham 1420-1471 (41) . Cardinal John Morton 1420-1500 (41) were captured.
On 03 Apr 1461 Thomas Courtenay 14th Earl Devon 1432-1461 (29) was beheaded at York, Yorkshire . His brother John Courtenay 15th Earl Devon 1435-1471 (26) succeeded as 15th Earl Devon (2C Courtenay) . Laura Bourchier Countess Devon 1440- by marriage as Earl Devon (2C Courtenay) .
 Robert Dethick 1375-1461 (86) was killed .
 John Heron of Ford Castle Northumberland 1416-1461 (45) was killed .
 Thomas Grey 1st Baron Grey Richemont 1418-1461 (43) was executed

Around 1574 George Gower 1540-1596 (34) . Portrait of Charles Somerset 1587-1665 (-13) . Armorial top left quarterly 1&4 with a yellow band top and bottom 2 Unknown Arms 3 his great x 4 grandfather Richard Woodville 1st Earl Rivers 1405-1469 .

Before 1468 John Talbot 3rd Earl Shrewsbury, 3rd Earl Waterford 1448-1473 (19) and Catherine Stafford Countess Shrewsbury, Countess Waterford were married (he was her second-cousin once-removed). Catherine Stafford Countess Shrewsbury, Countess Waterford by marriage Countess Shrewsbury (2C 1442) Countess Waterford .

Around 1468 George Talbot 4th Earl Shrewsbury, 4th Earl Waterford 1468-1538 was born to John Talbot 3rd Earl Shrewsbury, 3rd Earl Waterford 1448-1473 (19) and Catherine Stafford Countess Shrewsbury, Countess Waterford at Shifnal Manor, Shropshire

In 1470 Thomas Talbot 1470- was born to John Talbot 3rd Earl Shrewsbury, 3rd Earl Waterford 1448-1473 (21) and Catherine Stafford Countess Shrewsbury, Countess Waterford

In 1472 Anne Talbot 1472- was born to John Talbot 3rd Earl Shrewsbury, 3rd Earl Waterford 1448-1473 (23) and Catherine Stafford Countess Shrewsbury, Countess Waterford

On 28 Jun 1473 John Talbot 3rd Earl Shrewsbury, 3rd Earl Waterford 1448-1473 (24) died at Coventry, Warwickshire . He was buried at Lady Chapel, Worksop Priory, Worksop, Nottinghamshire . His son George Talbot 4th Earl Shrewsbury, 4th Earl Waterford 1468-1538 (5) succeeded as 4th Earl Shrewsbury (2C 1442) , 4th Earl Waterford , 9th Baron Furnivall (1C 1295) , 13th Baron Strange Blackmere (1C 1309) , 10th Baron Talbot (1C 1331)

On 08 Sep 1473 Elizabeth Butler Countess Shrewsbury, Countess Waterford 1424-1473 (49) died at Shrewsbury, Shropshire

Family Trees

Paternal Family Tree: Talbot

Maternal Family Tree: Emmeline Riddlesford 1223-1276

Descent

Kings Wessex: Great x 18 Grand Son of Aethelwulf King Wessex -858

Kings Gwynedd: Great x 9 Grand Son of Owain "Great" King Gwynedd 1100-1170

Kings Seisyllwg: Great x 15 Grand Son of Hywel "Dda aka Good" King Seisyllwg, King Deheubarth 880-950

Kings Powys: Great x 10 Grand Son of Maredudd ap Bleddyn King Powys 1047-1132

Kings England: Great x 5 Grand Son of Edward "Longshanks" I King England 1239-1307

Kings Scotland: Great x 8 Grand Son of William "Lion" I King Scotland 1143-1214

Kings Franks: Great x 9 Grand Son of Louis VII King Franks 1120-1180

Kings France: Great x 7 Grand Son of Louis "Lion" VIII King France 1187-1226

Ancestry

Father: John Talbot 2nd Earl Shrewsbury, 2nd Earl Waterford 1417-1460 Great x 4 Grandson of Edward "Longshanks" I King England 1239-1307


GrandFather: John "Old Talbot" Talbot 1st Earl Shrewsbury, 1st Earl Waterford 1383-1453 Great x 3 Grandson of Edward "Longshanks" I King England 1239-1307


Great GrandFather: Richard Talbot 7th Baron Strange Blackmere, 4th Baron Talbot 1361-1396 Great x 2 Grandson of Edward "Longshanks" I King England 1239-1307


Great x 2 GrandFather: Gilbert Talbot 3rd Baron Talbot 1332-1386 Great x 8 Grandson of Henry "Beauclearc" I King England 1068-1135


Great x 3 GrandFather: Richard Talbot 2nd Baron Talbot 1305-1356 Great x 7 Grandson of Henry "Beauclearc" I King England 1068-1135


Great x 3 GrandMother: Elizabeth Comyn Baroness Talbot Great x 7 Granddaughter of Henry "Beauclearc" I King England 1068-1135


Great x 2 GrandMother: Petronella Butler 1322-1368 Great Granddaughter of Edward "Longshanks" I King England 1239-1307


Great x 3 GrandFather: James Butler 1st Earl Ormonde 1305-1338


Great x 3 GrandMother: Eleanor Bohun Countess Ormonde 1304-1363 Granddaughter of Edward "Longshanks" I King England 1239-1307


Great GrandMother: Ankaret Strange 7th Baroness Strange Blackmere, Baroness Talbot 1361-1413 Great x 5 Granddaughter of John "Lackland" I King England 1166-1216


Great x 2 GrandFather: John Strange 4th Baron Strange Blackmere 1332-1361 Great x 4 Grandson of John "Lackland" I King England 1166-1216


Great x 3 GrandFather: John Strange 2nd Baron Strange Blackmere 1306-1349 Great x 3 Grandson of John "Lackland" I King England 1166-1216


Great x 3 GrandMother: Ankaret Boteler Baroness Strange Blackmere 1309-1361


Great x 2 GrandMother: Mary Fitzalan Baroness Strange Blackmere Great x 5 Granddaughter of John "Lackland" I King England 1166-1216


Great x 3 GrandFather: Edmund Fitzalan 9th Earl Arundel 1285-1326 Great x 4 Grandson of John "Lackland" I King England 1166-1216


Great x 3 GrandMother: Alice Warenne Countess Arundel


GrandMother: Maud Neville Countess Shrewsbury, Countess Waterford 1392-1423 Great x 6 Granddaughter of Henry "Curtmantle" II King England 1133-1189


Great GrandFather: Thomas Neville 5th Baron Furnivall 1362-1406 Great x 5 Grandson of Henry "Curtmantle" II King England 1133-1189


Great x 2 GrandFather: John Neville 3rd Baron Neville Raby 1337-1388 Great x 4 Grandson of Henry "Curtmantle" II King England 1133-1189


Great x 3 GrandFather: Ralph Neville 2nd Baron Neville Raby 1291-1367 Great x 4 Grandson of Henry "Curtmantle" II King England 1133-1189


Great x 3 GrandMother: Alice Audley Baroness Greystoke, Baroness Neville Raby 1304-1374 Great x 3 Granddaughter of Henry "Curtmantle" II King England 1133-1189


Great x 2 GrandMother: Maud Percy Baroness Neville Raby Great x 5 Granddaughter of Henry "Curtmantle" II King England 1133-1189


Great x 3 GrandFather: Henry Percy 2nd Baron Percy 1299-1352 Great x 5 Grandson of John "Lackland" I King England 1166-1216


Great x 3 GrandMother: Idonia Clifford Baroness Percy 1303-1365 Great x 4 Granddaughter of Henry "Curtmantle" II King England 1133-1189


Great GrandMother: Joan Furnival 5th Baroness Furnivall 1375-1395 Great x 6 Granddaughter of John "Lackland" I King England 1166-1216


Great x 2 GrandFather: William Furnival 4th Baron Furnivall 1326-1383 Great x 5 Grandson of John "Lackland" I King England 1166-1216


Great x 3 GrandFather: Thomas Furnival 2nd Baron Furnivall -1339 Great x 5 Grandson of Henry "Beauclearc" I King England 1068-1135


Great x 3 GrandMother: Joan Verdun Baroness Furnivall 1303-1334 Great x 4 Granddaughter of John "Lackland" I King England 1166-1216


Mother: Elizabeth Butler Countess Shrewsbury, Countess Waterford 1424-1473 Great x 4 Granddaughter of Edward "Longshanks" I King England 1239-1307


GrandFather: James "White Earl" Butler 4th Earl Ormonde 1393-1452 Great x 3 Grandson of Edward "Longshanks" I King England 1239-1307


Great GrandFather: James Butler 3rd Earl Ormonde 1359-1405 Great x 2 Grandson of Edward "Longshanks" I King England 1239-1307


Great x 2 GrandFather: James Butler 2nd Earl Ormonde 1331-1382 Great Grandson of Edward "Longshanks" I King England 1239-1307


Great x 3 GrandFather: James Butler 1st Earl Ormonde 1305-1338


Great x 3 GrandMother: Eleanor Bohun Countess Ormonde 1304-1363 Granddaughter of Edward "Longshanks" I King England 1239-1307


Great x 2 GrandMother: Elizabeth Darcy Countess Ormonde 1322-1390


Great x 3 GrandFather: John Darcy 1st Baron Darcy Knayth 1280-1347


Great x 3 GrandMother: Joan Burgh Countess Kildare 1300-1359


Great GrandMother: Anne Welles Countess Ormonde 1360-1397 Great x 6 Granddaughter of Henry "Curtmantle" II King England 1133-1189


Great x 2 GrandFather: John Welles 4th Baron Welles 1334-1361


Great x 3 GrandFather: Adam Welles 3rd Baron Welles 1304-1345


Great x 3 GrandMother: Margaret Bardolf Baroness Welles -1333


Great x 2 GrandMother: Maud Ros Baroness Welles -1388 Great x 5 Granddaughter of Henry "Curtmantle" II King England 1133-1189


Great x 3 GrandFather: William Ros 2nd Baron Ros Helmsley 1285-1343


Great x 3 GrandMother: Margery Badlesmere Baroness Ros Helmsley 1308-1363 Great x 4 Granddaughter of Henry "Curtmantle" II King England 1133-1189


GrandMother: Joan Beauchamp Countess Ormonde Great x 3 Granddaughter of Edward "Longshanks" I King England 1239-1307


Great GrandFather: William Beauchamp 1st Baron Bergavenny 1343-1411 Great x 5 Grandson of John "Lackland" I King England 1166-1216


Great x 2 GrandFather: Thomas Beauchamp 11th Earl Warwick 1313-1386 Great x 6 Grandson of Henry "Beauclearc" I King England 1068-1135


Great x 3 GrandFather: Guy Beauchamp 10th Earl Warwick 1272-1315


Great x 3 GrandMother: Alice Tosny Countess Warwick 1284-1325 Great x 5 Granddaughter of Henry "Beauclearc" I King England 1068-1135


Great x 2 GrandMother: Katherine Mortimer Countess Warwick 1314-1369 Great x 4 Granddaughter of John "Lackland" I King England 1166-1216


Great x 3 GrandFather: Roger Mortimer 1st Earl March 1287-1330 Great x 3 Grandson of John "Lackland" I King England 1166-1216


Great x 3 GrandMother: Joan Geneville Baroness Mortimer Wigmore, 2nd Baroness Geneville 1286-1356 Great x 7 Granddaughter of Henry "Beauclearc" I King England 1068-1135


Great GrandMother: Joan Fitzalan Baroness Bergavenny Great x 2 Granddaughter of Edward "Longshanks" I King England 1239-1307


Great x 2 GrandFather: Richard Fitzalan 9th Earl Surrey, 11th Earl Arundel 1346-1397 Great x 2 Grandson of Henry III King England 1207-1272


Great x 3 GrandFather: Richard Fitzalan 10th Earl Arundel, 8th Earl Surrey 1306-1376 Great x 5 Grandson of John "Lackland" I King England 1166-1216


Great x 3 GrandMother: Eleanor Plantagenet Countess Arundel, Countess Surrey 1318-1372 Great Granddaughter of Henry III King England 1207-1272


Great x 2 GrandMother: Elizabeth Bohun Countess Arundel, Countess Surrey 1350-1385 Great Granddaughter of Edward "Longshanks" I King England 1239-1307


Great x 3 GrandFather: William Bohun 1st Earl Northampton 1309-1361 Grandson of Edward "Longshanks" I King England 1239-1307


Great x 3 GrandMother: Elizabeth Badlesmere Countess Northampton 1313-1356 Great x 4 Granddaughter of Henry "Curtmantle" II King England 1133-1189