Biography of Thomas Holland 2nd Earl Kent 1350-1397

Paternal Family Tree: Holland

Maternal Family Tree: Clemence Roches Countess Blois

Descendants Family Tree: Thomas Holland 2nd Earl Kent 1350-1397

1361 Marriage of Edward "The Black Prince" and Joan "The Fair Maid of Kent"

1376 Creation of Garter Knights

Around Mar 1340 [his father] Thomas Holland 1st Earl Kent (age 26) and [his mother] Joan "Fair Maid of Kent" Princess Wales (age 11) were married in secret. It isn't clear whether the marriage was canonical given the secrecy; there were no witnesses. She twelve years old. A subsequent investigation by papal commissioners confirmed it as valid. She the daughter of Edmund of Woodstock 1st Earl Kent and Margaret Wake Countess Kent (age 42). He a great x 4 grandson of King Henry "Curtmantle" II of England. She a granddaughter of King Edward "Longshanks" I of England.

Around Nov 1340 [his step-father] William Montagu 2nd Earl Salisbury (age 12) and [his mother] Joan "Fair Maid of Kent" Princess Wales (age 12) were married. She was already married albeit secretly to [his father] Thomas Holland 1st Earl Kent (age 26). The subsequent investigation found her marriage to Thomas Holland 1st Earl Kent (age 26) to be valid. She the daughter of Edmund of Woodstock 1st Earl Kent and Margaret Wake Countess Kent (age 43). He the son of William Montagu 1st Earl Salisbury (age 39) and Catherine Grandison Countess of Salisbury (age 36). She a granddaughter of King Edward "Longshanks" I of England.

In 1347 [his future brother-in-law] Edmund Fitzalan (age 20) and Sybil Montagu were married. The difference in their ages was 22 years. She the daughter of William Montagu 1st Earl Salisbury (age 46) and Catherine Grandison Countess of Salisbury (age 43). He the son of Richard Fitzalan 10th Earl Arundel 8th Earl Surrey (age 41) and Isabel Despencer Countess Arundel (age 35). He a great x 2 grandson of King Edward "Longshanks" I of England.

In 1350 Thomas Holland 2nd Earl Kent was born to Thomas Holland 1st Earl Kent (age 36) and Joan "Fair Maid of Kent" Princess Wales (age 21). He a great grandson of King Edward "Longshanks" I of England.

In 1352 [his father] Thomas Holland 1st Earl Kent (age 38) was created 1st Earl Kent, 1st Baron Holand.

On 26 Dec 1352 [his uncle] John Plantagenet 3rd Earl Kent (age 22) died. He was buried at Greyfriars Church, Winchester [Map]. Earl Kent extinct. His sister [his mother] Joan "Fair Maid of Kent" Princess Wales (age 24) succeeded 5th Baroness Wake of Liddell. Some source suggest she also succeeded as 4th Countess of Kent but this is inconsistent with 1. her husband being created Earl of Kent as a new creation, and 2. her son not succeeding to the original Earldom?

On 17 Feb 1359 [his future brother-in-law] John Fitzalan 1st Baron Arundel Baron Maltravers (age 11) and Eleanor Maltravers 2nd Baroness Maltravers Baroness Arundel and Cobham (age 14) were married. He the son of Richard Fitzalan 10th Earl Arundel 8th Earl Surrey (age 53) and Eleanor Plantagenet Countess Arundel and Surrey (age 40). He a great x 2 grandson of King Henry III of England. She a great x 5 granddaughter of King John "Lackland" of England.

On 26 Dec 1360 [his father] Thomas Holland 1st Earl Kent (age 46) died. He was buried at Blackfriars Friary, Stamford [Map]. His son Thomas Holland 2nd Earl Kent (age 10) succeeded 2nd Earl Kent.

Marriage of Edward "The Black Prince" and Joan "The Fair Maid of Kent"

On 10 Oct 1361 [his step-father] Edward "Black Prince" (age 31) and [his mother] Joan "Fair Maid of Kent" Princess Wales (age 33) were married at Windsor Castle [Map]. She by marriage Princess of Wales. His first wife, her second (or third depending on how you count them) husband. She had four children already. They had known each other since childhood. Thirty-one and thirty-three respectively. A curious choice for the heir to the throne; foreign princesses were usual. They were married nearly fifteen years and had two children. She the daughter of Edmund of Woodstock 1st Earl Kent and Margaret Wake Countess Kent. He the son of King Edward III of England (age 48) and Philippa of Hainault Queen Consort England (age 47). They were half first cousin once removed. She a granddaughter of King Edward "Longshanks" I of England.

Before 13 Oct 1370 Thomas Holland 2nd Earl Kent (age 20) and Alice Fitzalan Countess Kent (age 20) were married. She by marriage Countess Kent. She the daughter of Richard Fitzalan 10th Earl Arundel 8th Earl Surrey (age 64) and Eleanor Plantagenet Countess Arundel and Surrey (age 52). He the son of Thomas Holland 1st Earl Kent and Joan "Fair Maid of Kent" Princess Wales (age 42). They were third cousins. He a great grandson of King Edward "Longshanks" I of England. She a great x 2 granddaughter of King Henry III of England.

On 13 Oct 1370 [his daughter] Eleanor Holland Countess March and Ulster was born to Thomas Holland 2nd Earl Kent (age 20) and [his wife] Alice Fitzalan Countess Kent (age 20) at Upholland, Lancashire. She a great x 2 granddaughter of King Edward "Longshanks" I of England.

In 1374 [his son] Thomas Holland 1st Duke Surrey was born to Thomas Holland 2nd Earl Kent (age 24) and [his wife] Alice Fitzalan Countess Kent (age 24) at Upholland, Lancashire. He a great x 2 grandson of King Edward "Longshanks" I of England.

1376 Creation of Garter Knights

On 23 Apr 1376 King Edward III of England (age 63) created a number of new Garter Knights ...

54th John Montfort V Duke Brittany (age 37).

55th Thomas Banastre (age 42).

56th William Ufford 2nd Earl Suffolk (age 37).

57th Hugh Stafford 2nd Earl Stafford (age 40).

58th Thomas Holland 2nd Earl Kent (age 26). He the son of [his mother] Joan "Fair Maid of Kent" Princess Wales (age 47) whose second husband was Edward III's son [his step-father] Edward "Black Prince" (age 45).

59th Thomas Percy 1st Earl of Worcester (age 33) was appointed 59th. He the son of Mary Plantagenet Baroness Percy daughter of Henry Plantagenet 3rd Earl of Leicester 3rd Earl Lancaster who was the first cousin of Edward III's father King Edward II of England.

60th William Beauchamp 1st Baron Bergavenny (age 33).

On 04 Aug 1377 [his brother-in-law] John Fitzalan 1st Baron Arundel Baron Maltravers (age 29) was created 1st Baron Arundel by writ of summons. Eleanor Maltravers 2nd Baroness Maltravers Baroness Arundel and Cobham (age 32) by marriage Baroness Arundel.

On 16 Dec 1379 [his brother-in-law] John Fitzalan 1st Baron Arundel Baron Maltravers (age 31) drowned. He was buried at Lewes Priory [Map]. The Chronica Majora reports "... that during the panic of the storm, Sir John murdered those of his men who refused to make for shore for fear of being shipwrecked upon the rocks. Subsequently, after safely arriving on an island off the Irish coast, Sir John and his boat captain were swept back into the sea and drowned". His son John Fitzalan Baron Maltravers 2nd Baron Arundel (age 15) succeeded 2nd Baron Arundel.

Around 1380 [his daughter] Joan Holland Duchess York was born to Thomas Holland 2nd Earl Kent (age 30) and [his wife] Alice Fitzalan Countess Kent (age 30). She a great x 2 granddaughter of King Edward "Longshanks" I of England.

Around 1380 [his brother-in-law] Edmund Fitzalan (age 53) died.

On 06 Jan 1384 [his son] Edmund Holland 4th Earl Kent was born to Thomas Holland 2nd Earl Kent (age 34) and [his wife] Alice Fitzalan Countess Kent (age 34). He a great x 2 grandson of King Edward "Longshanks" I of England.

In 1385 [his daughter] Margaret Holland Duchess Clarence was born to Thomas Holland 2nd Earl Kent (age 35) and [his wife] Alice Fitzalan Countess Kent (age 35). She a great x 2 granddaughter of King Edward "Longshanks" I of England.

On 07 Aug 1385 [his mother] Joan "Fair Maid of Kent" Princess Wales (age 56) died at Wallingford Castle [Map]. She was buried at Blackfriars Friary, Stamford [Map] beside her first husband [his father] Thomas Holland 1st Earl Kent. Her son Thomas Holland 2nd Earl Kent (age 35) succeeded 6th Baron Wake of Liddell.

In 1386 [his daughter] Eleanor Holland was born to Thomas Holland 2nd Earl Kent (age 36) and [his wife] Alice Fitzalan Countess Kent (age 36). She a great x 2 granddaughter of King Edward "Longshanks" I of England.

On 07 Oct 1388 [his son-in-law] Roger Mortimer 4th Earl March 6th Earl Ulster (age 14) and [his daughter] Eleanor Holland Countess March and Ulster (age 17) were married. She by marriage Countess March, Countess Ulster. She the daughter of Thomas Holland 2nd Earl Kent (age 38) and Alice Fitzalan Countess Kent (age 38). He the son of Edmund Mortimer 3rd Earl March, Earl Ulster and Philippa Plantagenet Countess March 5th Countess Ulster. They were second cousin once removed. He a great grandson of King Edward III of England. She a great x 2 granddaughter of King Edward "Longshanks" I of England.

Before 20 Oct 1392 [his son] Thomas Holland 1st Duke Surrey (age 18) and [his daughter-in-law] Joan Stafford Countess Kent (age 14) were married. She the daughter of Hugh Stafford 2nd Earl Stafford and Philippa Beauchamp Countess Stafford (age 58). He the son of Thomas Holland 2nd Earl Kent (age 42) and Alice Fitzalan Countess Kent (age 42). They were third cousin once removed. He a great x 2 grandson of King Edward "Longshanks" I of England. She a great x 3 granddaughter of King Edward "Longshanks" I of England.

On 04 Nov 1393 [his son-in-law] Edmund of Langley 1st Duke York (age 52) and [his daughter] Joan Holland Duchess York (age 13) were married. She by marriage Duchess York. The difference in their ages was 38 years. She the daughter of Thomas Holland 2nd Earl Kent (age 43) and Alice Fitzalan Countess Kent (age 43). He the son of King Edward III of England and Philippa of Hainault Queen Consort England. They were half second cousin once removed. She a great x 2 granddaughter of King Edward "Longshanks" I of England.

On 25 Apr 1397 Thomas Holland 2nd Earl Kent (age 47) died. He was buried in Bourne Abbey, Lincolnshire [Map]. His son [his son] Thomas Holland 1st Duke Surrey (age 23) succeeded 3rd Earl Kent, 2nd Baron Holand, 7th Baron Wake of Liddell. [his daughter-in-law] Joan Stafford Countess Kent (age 19) by marriage Countess Kent.

On 17 Mar 1416 [his former wife] Alice Fitzalan Countess Kent (age 66) died.

[his son] John Holland was born to Thomas Holland 2nd Earl Kent and Alice Fitzalan Countess Kent. He a great x 2 grandson of King Edward "Longshanks" I of England.

Calendars. 33. Also, on the same Saturday [10 February 1397], a charter of the [his half-brother] king made to the earl marshal touching his office of marshal of England, and the gold staff adorned with the emblem of the king's arms which he will carry in his office, was read and delivered to the said earl. The tenor of which charter follows:

The king to the same, greeting. Know that whereas recently by our letters patent of our special grace we granted to our beloved kinsman Thomas, Earl of Nottingham, the office of marshal of England, together with the name and honour of earl marshal, to have to him and his male heirs issuing from his body, with all the fees, profits, and appurtenances whatsoever pertaining in any way to the said office, in perpetuity; as is fully contained in the same letters. We, mindful of the gracious and laudable services often performed by the aforementioned earl, on either side of the sea, for the benefit and honour of us and our kingdom, at no small effort, cost, and charge to him; and wishing therefore to provide for the estate and honour of that earl, of our special grace have granted in our present parliament for us and our heirs to the same earl the said office, and the name, title, and honour of earl marshal of England, to have to him and his male heirs issuing from his body, together with all offices, commodities, profits and other appurtenances whatsoever, both in our courts and elsewhere, relating or pertaining in any way to the same office, in the same manner and as fully, freely, wholly, and peacefully as Thomas Brotherton, lately Earl of Norfolk and marshal of England, father of our beloved kinswoman Margaret Countess of Norfolk, [widow] of the aforesaid late earl, or Roger Bigod sometime Earl of Norfolk and marshal of England, or any other after the death of the same former earl, or the same present earl, had or held the said office of marshal of England in their time.

Willing further and granting for us and our heirs, that the office of marshal of our Bench before us, which John Wicks holds for the term of his life by our grant, and the office of marshal in our treasury which Richard Gascoigne holds for his life by grant of our beloved brother Thomas Earl of Kent, lately marshal of England, by our confirmation; and also the office of herald of the marshal before the steward and marshal of our household, which Guy Allesley holds for his life by grant of the lord Edward [III], late king of England, our grandfather, and by our confirmation; which offices after the death of the aforesaid John, Richard and Guy should revert to us and our heirs, after the death of the same John, Richard, and Guy shall remain to the aforementioned earl marshal, to have to him and his male heirs in perpetuity. And that the same offices, and all other offices in any of our courts and elsewhere, which pertained, and used to pertain to the said office of marshal of England in times past, shall be fully restored, annexed, and reunited to the said office of marshal of England in perpetuity. And that the same earl and his male heirs may give, grant, or confer those offices on any suitable persons freely and without hindrance as soon as they shall have fallen vacant by death, demise, resignation, surrender, or in any other way, notwithstanding any of our letters patent made to the contrary.

Considering also the vigour and nobility of that earl, and that he may in future the more fittingly and honourably perform and exercise the aforesaid office, we have granted for us and our heirs to the same present earl that he and his said male heirs, marshals of England, by virtue of their aforesaid office should have, carry, and bear, as well in the presence as in the absence of us and our heirs, a certain gold staff, with both ends enamelled in black, and with the emblem of our arms decorating the top of the said staff, and with the emblem of the arms of that earl decorating the bottom of the said staff; notwithstanding that the same present earl in his time, or the aforementioned former earls, or any other who had the said office of marshal of England before this time, used to carry or bear a wooden staff. Witnessed by these, the venerable fathers Thomas archbishop of Canterbury, primate of all England, Robert of London, William of Winchester, John of Ely, Edmund of Exeter, our chancellor, bishops; John of Aquitaine and Lancaster, Edmund of York, dukes, our beloved uncles; Henry of Derby, Edward of Rutland, Henry of Northumberland, earls; Reginald Grey of Ruthin, Ralph Neville, John Lovell, knights; Roger Walden, dean of York, our treasurer, Thomas Percy, steward of our household, and others. Given by our hand at Westminster on 10 February 1397.

[his daughter] Bridget Holland was born to Thomas Holland 2nd Earl Kent and Alice Fitzalan Countess Kent. She a great x 2 granddaughter of King Edward "Longshanks" I of England.

[his daughter] Elizabeth Holland was born to Thomas Holland 2nd Earl Kent and Alice Fitzalan Countess Kent. She a great x 2 granddaughter of King Edward "Longshanks" I of England.

Archaeologia Volume 29 Section III. THE BADGE OF THE WHITE HART was the most favourite device of King Richard, and it was that which he used for the cognizance which was profusely distributed among his courtiers and immediate dependants. It has been suggested with much apparent probability that he adopted it from the White Hind which is stated to have been borne by his mother the Fair Maid of Kenti, and which was certainly used by the Holands, the sons of her first marriagek [Thomas Holland 2nd Earl Kent and [his brother] John Holland 1st Duke Exeter]. "The author of the Alliterative Poem, which has been edited by Mr. Wright for the Camden Society, reproaching the unfortunate Richard, reminds him that

First at your anointing all were your own,

Both Harts and Hinds, and held of none other.

Note i. "The bagens that he [the King] beareth by the Faire Maide of Kent, is a Whyte Hynde." Collectanea Top. et Geneal. vol. iii. p. 56, from MS. Harl. 4632, written in the time of Henry VIII.; but the same MS. attributes the White Hind to Queen Philippa (Ibid. p. 53.), and so does the MS. L. 14, in Coll. Arm. f. 27, b.

Note k. In Sandford's Genealogical History, 1677, p. 124, will be seen the seal of Thomas de Holand, Earl of Kent, where his shield is suspended from the neck of a Hind, lodged or seated, and collared with a coronet.

Thomas Holland 2nd Earl Kent 1350-1397 appears on the following Descendants Family Trees:

King John "Lackland" of England 1166-1216

King Henry III of England 1207-1272

King Edward "Longshanks" I of England 1239-1307

Raymond Berenguer Provence IV Count Provence 1198-1245

Royal Ancestors of Thomas Holland 2nd Earl Kent 1350-1397

Kings Wessex: Great x 9 Grand Son of King Edmund "Ironside" I of England

Kings Gwynedd: Great x 6 Grand Son of Owain "Great" King Gwynedd

Kings Seisyllwg: Great x 12 Grand Son of Hywel "Dda aka Good" King Seisyllwg King Deheubarth

Kings Powys: Great x 7 Grand Son of Maredudd ap Bleddyn King Powys

Kings England: Great Grand Son of King Edward "Longshanks" I of England

Kings Scotland: Great x 7 Grand Son of Malcolm III King Scotland

Kings Franks: Great x 6 Grand Son of Louis VII King Franks

Kings France: Great x 2 Grand Son of Philip "Bold" III King France

Royal Descendants of Thomas Holland 2nd Earl Kent 1350-1397

Joan Beaufort Queen Consort Scotland x 1

King Edward IV of England x 1

King Richard III of England x 1

Anne Neville Queen Consort England x 1

King Henry VII of England and Ireland x 1

Catherine Parr Queen Consort England x 1

Jane "Nine Days Queen" Grey I Queen England and Ireland x 1

Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom x 80

Queen Consort Camilla Shand x 24

Diana Spencer Princess Wales x 237

Ancestors of Thomas Holland 2nd Earl Kent 1350-1397

Great x 2 Grandfather: Thurstan de Holland

Great x 1 Grandfather: Robert de Holand of Upholland

GrandFather: Robert Holland 1st Baron Holand

Father: Thomas Holland 1st Earl Kent 4 x Great Grand Son of King Henry "Curtmantle" II of England

Great x 4 Grandfather: Roger Zouche

Great x 3 Grandfather: Alan Zouche

Great x 4 Grandmother: Margaret Bisset

Great x 2 Grandfather: Roger Zouche 6 x Great Grand Son of King Henry I "Beauclerc" England

Great x 4 Grandfather: Roger de Quincy 2nd Earl Winchester

Great x 3 Grandmother: Helen or Ela Quincy 5 x Great Grand Daughter of King Henry I "Beauclerc" England

Great x 4 Grandmother: Helen Galloway Countess Winchester 4 x Great Grand Daughter of King Henry I "Beauclerc" England

Great x 1 Grandfather: Alan Zouche 1st Baron Zouche Ashby 2 x Great Grand Son of King Henry "Curtmantle" II of England

Great x 4 Grandfather: William "Longsword" Longespee Earl Salisbury Son of King Henry "Curtmantle" II of England

Great x 3 Grandfather: Stephen Longespée Grand Son of King Henry "Curtmantle" II of England

Great x 2 Grandmother: Ela Longespée Great Grand Daughter of King Henry "Curtmantle" II of England

Great x 4 Grandfather: Walter Riddlesford

Great x 3 Grandmother: Emmeline Riddlesford

GrandMother: Maud Zouche Baroness Holand 3 x Great Grand Daughter of King Henry "Curtmantle" II of England

Great x 4 Grandfather: Stephen Segrave

Great x 3 Grandfather: Gilbert Segrave

Great x 4 Grandmother: Rohese Despencer

Great x 2 Grandfather: Nicholas Segrave 1st Baron Segrave

Great x 1 Grandmother: Eleanor Segrave

Great x 3 Grandfather: Geoffrey de Lucy of Newington in Kent

Great x 2 Grandmother: Maud de Lucy

Great x 4 Grandfather: William Cantilupe

Great x 3 Grandmother: Nichole Cantilupe

Thomas Holland 2nd Earl Kent Great Grand Son of King Edward "Longshanks" I of England

Great x 4 Grandfather: King Henry "Curtmantle" II of England Grand Son of King Henry I "Beauclerc" England

Great x 3 Grandfather: King John "Lackland" of England Son of King Henry "Curtmantle" II of England

Great x 2 Grandfather: King Henry III of England Son of King John "Lackland" of England

Great x 1 Grandfather: King Edward "Longshanks" I of England Son of King Henry III of England

Great x 4 Grandfather: Alfonso Barcelona II Count Provence

Great x 3 Grandfather: Raymond Berenguer Provence IV Count Provence

Great x 4 Grandmother: Gersenda II Sabran Countess Provence

Great x 2 Grandmother: Eleanor of Provence Queen Consort England

Great x 4 Grandfather: Thomas Savoy I Count Savoy

Great x 3 Grandmother: Beatrice Savoy Countess Provence

Great x 4 Grandmother: Margaret Geneva Countess Savoy

GrandFather: Edmund of Woodstock 1st Earl Kent Son of King Edward "Longshanks" I of England

Great x 4 Grandfather: Louis "Lion" VIII King France 3 x Great Grand Son of King William "Conqueror" I of England

Great x 3 Grandfather: King Louis IX of France Great Grand Son of King Henry "Curtmantle" II of England

Great x 4 Grandmother: Blanche Ivrea Queen Consort France Grand Daughter of King Henry "Curtmantle" II of England

Great x 2 Grandfather: Philip "Bold" III King France 2 x Great Grand Son of King Henry "Curtmantle" II of England

Great x 1 Grandmother: Margaret of France Queen Consort England 3 x Great Grand Daughter of King Henry "Curtmantle" II of England

Great x 4 Grandfather: Henry Reginar II Duke Brabant 3 x Great Grand Son of King William "Conqueror" I of England

Great x 3 Grandfather: Henry Reginar III Duke Brabant 4 x Great Grand Son of King William "Conqueror" I of England

Great x 4 Grandmother: Marie Swabia Duchess Brabant

Great x 2 Grandmother: Maria Reginar Queen Consort France 5 x Great Grand Daughter of King William "Conqueror" I of England

Great x 4 Grandfather: Hugh IV Duke Burgundy 4 x Great Grand Son of King William "Conqueror" I of England

Great x 3 Grandmother: Adelaide Burgundy Duchess Brabant 5 x Great Grand Daughter of King William "Conqueror" I of England

Great x 4 Grandmother: Yolande Capet Duchess Burgundy

Mother: Joan "Fair Maid of Kent" Princess Wales Grand Daughter of King Edward "Longshanks" I of England

Great x 3 Grandfather: Hugh Wake

Great x 2 Grandfather: Baldwin Wake

Great x 4 Grandfather: Nicholas Stuteville

Great x 3 Grandmother: Joan Stuteville

Great x 1 Grandfather: John Wake 1st Baron Wake of Liddell 2 x Great Grand Son of King John "Lackland" of England

Great x 4 Grandfather: Saer Quincy 1st Earl Winchester

Great x 3 Grandfather: Robert Quincy

Great x 4 Grandmother: Margaret Beaumont Countess Winchester

Great x 2 Grandmother: Hawise Quincy Great Grand Daughter of King John "Lackland" of England

Great x 4 Grandfather: Llewellyn "The Great" Aberffraw

Great x 3 Grandmother: Elen ferch Llewellyn Aberffraw Countess Huntingdon and Mar Grand Daughter of King John "Lackland" of England

Great x 4 Grandmother: Joan Plantagenet Daughter of King John "Lackland" of England

GrandMother: Margaret Wake Countess Kent 3 x Great Grand Daughter of King John "Lackland" of England

Great x 4 Grandfather: William Fiennes

Great x 3 Grandfather: Enguerrand Ingleram Fiennes

Great x 4 Grandmother: Agnes Dammartin

Great x 2 Grandfather: William Fiennes

Great x 3 Grandmother: Isabel Provence

Great x 1 Grandmother: Joan Fiennes Baroness Wake Liddell 4 x Great Grand Daughter of King Henry "Curtmantle" II of England

Great x 4 Grandfather: John de Brienne I King Jerusalem

Great x 3 Grandfather: John Beaumont 2 x Great Grand Son of King Henry "Curtmantle" II of England

Great x 4 Grandmother: Beregaria Ivrea Great Grand Daughter of King Henry "Curtmantle" II of England

Great x 2 Grandmother: Blanche Beaumont 3 x Great Grand Daughter of King Henry "Curtmantle" II of England

Great x 3 Grandmother: Jeanne Chateaudun

Great x 4 Grandmother: Clemence Roches Countess Blois